Process, People, and Pods


Sunday 2 September 2007

...And How Are You Going to USE That Information?

I cited in my last post a case where Counting Wasted Time. I ended by giving my favorite response when someone is asking to collect data about the project:

...And how will you use that information?

Don't get me wrong. I really want a great answer to that question. I seek metrics that help understand the project. To paraphrase the NRA:

Metrics don't kill projects; people do.

But I digress. Some additional examples of useless information gathering will help you see the importance of the question, "And how will you use that information?"

Example 1: Revised Estimates

In a recent fixed price project, we dutifully re-estimated stories at the start of an iteration. We had release level estimates with which we did our original planning. The iteration estimates were supposed to set our "commitment" level for the iteration; they were supposed to set client expectations.

We over-delivered by 100%. We repeated the exercise, and over-delivered again. So on the third cycle, we asked the question, "How did we use the estimates we made?" The team, including the project manager, acknowledged that we hadn't looked at them since we collected the numbers. So we dropped them.

(BTW as I cited in yesterday's post about Counting, I have rarely found use in resizing just in case things have changed.)

Example 2: Defect Tracking Database

We haven't tracked bugs in the last three development projects I have participated in. How can this be?

One of the key Lean practices is feedback; feedback is most effective when rapidly given. This leads to a positive metric of story cycle time, a measure of the time from the start of analysis until story acceptance by the customer. So if a bug blocks a story, then the clock is running on that story until it is fixed and moves forward. Developers on a Lean-oriented team will attack bugs rather then work on development of new stories. The net results is few bugs live for more than a day. In tracking a recent project, over half the days were finished with zero open bugs.

Instead, we post the bug's existence on a red task card on our standard card wall. When it is fixed and verified, we take the card down. I would like to say that we throw the card away, but we still like to put them into a stack and admire them (for some reason). I do have to admit to a certain curiosity myself. But in the last couple of projects, I have yet to see anyone looking back at those cards!

There are great bug tracking tools out in the market. Many IT shops have standardized on one, and have process guidelines requiring their use. An Agile/Lean project shouldn't need any of them.

[In a bit of cruel fate for a vendor, I was recently asked to give a statement on a recently announced bug tracking tool that purports to solving all your tracking needs; indeed, it is the next generation of tracking tools, rendering all other obsolete. Needless to say, I commented that it was a solution in search of a problem as far as I was concerned. If you need that level of sophistication, your project is going to fail anyway.]

Bad Reasons to Collect Information

There are two reasons for collecting metrics that are, in fact, good reasons not to collect metrics:

Because I might need them: I consider this a euphemism for "I don't know." I lump into this same category, "We always do it this way" and "We have to". In the case of "I don't know", we drop the counting for an iteration or so, and see if we miss it. It is always hard to argue against a short-term experiment. In the case of "we always do it this way", start the discussion to drill down and figure out why we did it that way originally, and see if the reason still exists (especially if you have introduced Agile and/or Lean practices). This is just good development practice, but in particular is a good Lean practice. In the case of "we have to", it is time to engage the process architects and gauge if this is a battle worth fighting. I tend to relish that idea having done the process role in IBM many, many years ago, but we won't discuss my personality defects here. Regardless, the tactic is the same: Find out what it was useful for and see if the need still exists.

I need to understand how well everyone is doing. Translation: "I need to pin the blame on someone when things go wrong." Now you have hit a hot-button of mine. Blame is not a way to run a team. Blame creates fear, and fear kills motivation and productivity. And kills fun! Agile teams, especially collocated Agile teams, have many positive ways to address inhibitors to productivity. This includes many ways of addressing skill deficiencies which will always exist in software projects because of the wicked pace of change. So if someone attempts to collect information for the primary purpose of assigning blame, well, let's just say they have to get past me first.

There Are Good Metrics

Less I have led you astray (and you will use these posts to justify collecting no information), there are many good uses of collected information. I will cite my favorite Agile/Lean project metrics in a future post.

But for now, do you have examples of gathering useless information?

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AkitaOnRails said...

Hey Fred, great articles. I want you to know that I translated your last one into brazilian portuguese (at www.akitaonrails.com) and I would like to translate this one as well (as it is a direct continuation). But I think I went ahead of myself and I think I had to ask for your permission first. Would you agree if I left them in my blog?

Fred George said...

By all means, Fabio, please translate. If you could, please include a link here to your translations.

Thanks!

Anonymous said...

Fred,

You said: "Agile teams, especially collocated Agile teams, have many positive ways to address inhibitors to productivity. This includes many ways of addressing skill deficiencies which will always exist in software projects because of the wicked pace of change."

I found this statement very interesting and I was wondering if you could elaborate on it some more and help people like me who are just crossing over to Agile and have the responsibility of supervising the team.

I need to know what to look for and how to address the common issues in an Agile environment. I keep hearing don't use metrics to judge output, but then at the same time I need to judge how a person is doing. Seems kind of contradictory to me. Please enlighten me.

Richard Jonas said...

Thanks for an excellent post.

I think "And how will you use this information?" is a great question and can be asked at other times. The time that springs to mind is when reporting on statistics from web sites.

A report that shows 10,000 people buy something from your web site a day is something you're often asked for but isn't any use unless it tells you something about how to improve your site.

A report that shows 10,000 people buy something on your web site when the menu is on the top of the screen and 8,000 people when it is on the left side of the screen tells you how the site should be laid out.

Fred George said...

To Brian on measuring people:

I will be posting more on that particular topic, but the short answer is ask the team!

In a collocated team, peer reviews give the real feedback, plus watch who chooses to work with whom, and who is avoided. If you build strong lines of communication with the team, the team will complain quickly to you when someone is not carrying the load.

See also my posts on Building a Better Programmer in the People section.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Fred, can't wait for that post to come through. I will watch for it.

Anonymous said...

Fred,

In regard to bug tracking tool. I agree if the tool is complex it is a sign that there are other problems and I think it will also end up hurting the project (whether it's due to too much time and resources spent on tracking or even developer frustration). However, I don't think a simple and effective BT tool is bad. It's great that you can have zero open bugs at the end of the day, but at times, reality isn't so wonderful. There are bugs that are hard to fix and can take you days. There are people falling sick (and it's not a question of the bus number). There are many factors that interfere. Also, there is another issue: Once the project is finished and you need to deploy it for example to 3 customers, you need to somehow manage feedback. I don't want my customers calling me telling me they want me to fix a bu g if that's already fixed. For that, you provide them a system to search before submitting. I also have to justify why I charge customers maintenance. I want to keep track of issues/bugs/work items, so 6 months down the road, when they ask me what they pay for, they can "count" the issues.

I think agility is sometimes pushing things too far over.

Fred George said...

Peter,

You are certainly part of the majority that buy and depend upon bug tracking. I only observe that it hasn't been useful for projects I have been on of late.

If you do make a business out of taking service calls and looking up bugs, you have a great use for such a tool.

I think I have avoided the need because: (1) bugs get priority; (2) with pair programming, I don't have a dependency on fixing a bug until someone comes back - several people are capable; (3) rather than rely on the bug tracking, we do write tests confirming bugs (wherever they are reported), and such tests seem to be sufficient; (4) bugs are prominently posted on the story card wall so no one will neglect the those little nasties.

I will be posting on some Lean anti-patterns. Amongst those, is "Just in Case". I am very suspicious of that justification for doing something. It implicitly assumes the cost of collecting it more than pays for its use "just in case". I would rather do the arithmetic to make sure.

Anonymous said...

Fred,

Thanks for the follow-up.

Point 1 and 2 I don't think justify the lack of a bug tracking tool in the case I mention. If for "business" reasons I need to track bugs and if a bug goes on for several days.

Point 3 seems valid. However, in a team of 4 people for example, I can't imagine someone dropping all they are doing that moment to write a test for a bug someone has reported. I believe that people also require some level of concentration and that constantly switching context can prove counter-productive.

In regard to point 4, isn't this just a manual bug tracking tool then?

Again, I'm all for agile. I preach it and I use it, but I think there comes a point, that you can't apply all the great theory in practice. Not everyone has medium or large companies or enough resources.

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2020.10.20知名網紅小模 援交賺錢 超好賺!最近有位【酒店小姐】【酒店公關】F奶網美「 Aqq cami」 橫綱凱咪,在網路上爆料酒店小姐的基本介紹跟工作內容,市面上我們所見到的網美,有超過七成都私下提供賣淫服務。這爆料看似勁爆,但其實真在網路上發酵時,其實所有網友都內心有底,只是驚訝於竟然真的有網美敢正大光明的說出來,甚至還將從兩萬到二十萬不等的價碼公開。網路上對這件事情的看法,大多數的人都是「不敢來酒店上班-酒店打工的原因不意外」。並且總時不時看到許多人將酒店酒店小姐酒店上班到底都在做麼?賣淫的定義延伸到更廣酒店小姐酒店公關酒店上班到底都在做麼?,包含禮物、交往甚至結婚,都被廣義賣淫給囊括在其中酒店兼差不是一個複雜的工作環境?。這些真是老調重彈了,齋主也就不多費唇舌,我倒是想聊聊些個人感觸。我相信當代都市人,都肯定有些網美朋友。不管這些人是你的朋友、老朋友、小後輩或是朋友的朋友。她們靠著自身的美貌、進步的醫美,或是優秀的圖形演算法,在網路上展現自我並攢了大量的人氣。你總有機會和她在某次餐敘中見面。你是人,她也是人,你會在和朋友見面時抱怨工作,當然她也會抱怨些工作上的事情。她總會在最後抱怨起圈內其他人的道德瑕疵,其中總避不了討論其他網美私下接些有道德瑕疵的工作,賣淫、包養等各類於名聲有損的行為。然後朋友畢竟是你的朋友,你始終願意相信她不是這樣的人。齋主我問過無數次,所有人的網美朋友都自稱是清流。那她們口中那些賣淫或包養的網美,到底又在哪裡?就我看來,我相信網美圈內真有賣淫現象,但我不認為有到「七成」這麼普遍,當然也有可能是我對該圈子的文化不熟悉。但我想之所以我們會相信,多少也因為身邊有著太多的流言蜚語。當任何一個網美或網美的關係人,向你說些該圈子的羶色八卦時,通常的情況是傳播關係鏈上每多一個人,正如媒體本質,就會加油添醋一番。富二代男友送了一杯CITY CAFE給女友網美,經過一傳十、十傳百的加料後,就變成了土豪用北宋汝窯,裝了西王母瑤池玉露來送給網美,然後一番天雷勾動地火下,成就了一樁多人運動的美事。是,我認為謠言可畏。這些謠言之所以存在,多半是因為我們不會公開談論這些事情的真偽。久而久之,只有那些辛辣的要素被保留下來,又或者被新創造了出來。而我們最後也根據這些謠言,構築了我們對於這些網美世界的想像。對,我相信有網美將賣淫當作主要收入,但七成還是太誇張了。除非「賣淫」的定義很廣,廣到連收禮物、請吃飯、一起出遊,都能算是賣淫的定義中,不然我認為這種身價的女人,不可能還是一手交錢一手開腿。我認為橫綱凱咪敢於公開爆料此事,有著不容易的勇氣,也肯定承受了不小的壓力。雖然我不見得讚同她所說的「七成」,但她其中討論到的「沉淪」,倒是我親眼所見某個朋友的經歷。我記得十多年前,有個漂亮的朋友。她那時初嘗美貌所帶來的紅利,不管追求者的禮物,星巴克紙杯上的關心,甚至是小吃攤老闆招待的嘴邊肉等。某天,她就踏入了那時利潤還很豐厚的「Show Girl圈」。當時台灣展覽需求暴增,她接了大量的工作,從一開始的電玩、動漫,到後來的3C、工業、車展等等。那時我只感覺這名朋友好像開始走得很遠,遠到我再也不認識這個人。這幾年在臉書的朋友上,我看到了她。老實說,大概是因為接受了太多整形的調整,我已經無法在她與她朋友們的合照中認出她是哪一位。甚至過往單純而清新的美貌也已然逝去,取而代之的是滿滿的風塵味。我翻了翻她過往的照片,就是標準的在國外拍照打卡,在泳池畔與其他姊妹們的合照,再不然就是瞎拚的戰利品,唯獨欠缺的就是感情生活。這種女人的臉書和生命中,似乎從未有過一段感情,她們的照片中不會有男人,也不曾公開聽說她與哪位男性交往。而看著她曾經經營的臉書專頁上,還停留在當年還在Show Girl時的紀錄、活動和照片。我經常會想,她是否還認得過去的自己?又或者她是否還願意承認那段過往?

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酒店經紀人爭搶酒店小姐惹禍2020.12.01本刊酒店工作-台北酒店專業經紀人即時快訊:高雄市三民區一家酒店傳出經紀人為爭搶酒店打工妹,遭人帶往包廂私刑侍候事件!據了解,該名2、30歲吳姓經紀人,欲將旗下酒店上班紅牌【酒店小姐】【酒店公關】轉往其他酒店兼差,引發該家酒店不滿,替酒店圍事數名年輕男子將吳男帶往包廂拳打腳踢一番教訓,事後吳男負傷至另一分局轄區派出所報案求救,警方依單一窗口將案件轉往案發轄區分局,分局火速逮捕涉案5嫌,訊後依妨害自由、強制等罪函送法辦。該家位於三民區附近的酒店業者和吳姓傳播經紀人為了喬【酒店小姐】【酒店公關】的坐檯服務,雙方發生不快,業者得知吳男執意欲將旗下紅牌傳播妹帶往其他酒店服務,在酒店圍事的數名年輕人周一凌晨將吳男押往酒店包廂私刑侍候。本刊獨家取得吳男遭數名男子毆打影片,畫面中只見吳男頭部似乎被套上白布,數人臉露凶光,朝吳男一陣拳打腳踢,吳男無力還手,遭狠K一頓;吳男負傷從酒店走出後,隨即轉往他轄派出所報案求救,吳男被送醫治療,所幸僅頭和身體擦挫傷。轄區三民一分局接獲單一窗口通報,偵查隊立即成立專案小組,火速將涉案的高姓男子等5嫌帶回查辦,據悉,嫌犯聲稱是喝酒引起的糾紛,警方訊後先依《強制》、《妨害自由》及《傷害》等罪函送法辦。

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